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The Great Fisherpeople & the Big Bass
04.02.08 (1:32 pm)   [edit]

Only the mind open to independently confirmed evidence has any claim to being a seeker of the truth.  Any true seeker should live their spiritual life the same way they should live any aspect of your life, by examining the best evidence available and then determining how best to proceed until new evidence, including the evidence produced in the laboratory of personal experience, becomes available.  Life, in this way, is much like a Pro Bass Fishing Tournament.  Historical data and the collective experiences of every sincere angler to ever live can give the Bass Seeker important insights.  Still, the information that matters most is putting all the available information and technology toward the desired result of catching a lot of Big Bass!

Books written about fishing from a few thousand years ago might be entertaining and possibly even enlightening.  I'm just not certain that making a burnt offering to Pisces will help you catch any Big Bass when you head down to the river.  Of course, the burnt offerings of the past did absolutely nothing to help anyone catch fish few thousand years ago, either!  Ancient Fisherpeople didn't have sonar technology capable of telling them exactly where the fish were located.  They also didn't yet have our understanding of many of the scientific truths of fishing that have been gained over several thousand years of study, experience and scientific progress.

The Great Fisherperson, however, is never content with today's understandings or with current assumptions based on the always evolving body of scientific knowledge.  You must accept that today's certainties often will prove to be tomorrow's nonsensical burnt offerings.  As human beings, we have a highly developed ability to recognize patterns and relationships.  This ability allowed our ancestors to discover the motion of the stars in the sky and to understand when to prepare for the upcoming seasons.  Sometimes, however, humans believed they saw relationships in ways we know today to be nonsensical and superstitious.  The very worst of ancient human traditions grew from believing that relationships existed between human actions and God's favor.  Today, although no Fisherperson believes that a young human virgin must be sacrificed to curry favor with the God of the Big Bass.  However, a few continue to believe that it is beneficial to pray to the God of the Big Bass to curry favor in winning the tournament.

As we are able to gain deeper and deeper knowledge about a subject, we find that some of the assumptions we've been making were little more than non-causal correlations.  We learn that neither prayer nor rain dances bring rain when we need it.  We also know that a certain number of severe weather events will occur in predictable cycles just as they have for all of time, meaning that living on earth presents inherent risks and that we aren't likely at the mercy of a capricious Deity monitoring our behavior and keeping track of our sins to determine when and where to send the next flood or earthquake in order to discipline mankind for his inequities.

As we humbly find our way to becoming the Best Fisherperson We Can Be and to teach the Great Truths of the Big Bass to our children and to our community, we uncover evidence that many of the Ancient Great Truths were demonstrably false or were simply superstitions, rationalizations and mythologies created in the imaginations of the Great Fisherpeople of Ancient Times.  We understand enough about the Ways of the River that we expect future generations of Great Fisherpeople will see us as similarly naive and superstitious.  Future generations will recognize that some of our current beliefs were helpful to the Bass Seeker and that others were wasteful distractions, dangerous errors or both.

So, the Great Fisherpeople always ask themselves these questions to guide them to the Big Bass:

1. What can I know about our world that his helpful to my supporting my existence on the planet?

2. How do I know it? What is the evidence? How should I respond to this evidence?

3. How can I use the available evidence to achieve my own self-interest while taking into thoughtful consideration all the interdependent realities of existence?


To the extent that we live free from dogmatic assertions and enslaving philosophies, the Great Fisherpeople have been able to prosper and to live peacefully with the other People of the River.  To the extent we live as anything else and by any other method, we live in poverty and in a state of perpetual war.

As Great Fisherpeople, we are tasked not only with finding and then catching the Big Bass.  We also must insure that our ancestors are left with rivers full of Big Bass which will continue to nurture the progress of the People of the River for so long as the River Flows in the Hearts & Minds of the Great Fisherpeople.

One might call this process a strategy of spiritual "catch & release"!

 


posted by: mimi (reply)
post date: 04.02.08 (6:00 pm)

as in fishing, i believe in "catch and release"...catch the wonders and release to those around you!



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.02.08 (6:24 pm)

Reply to: mimi

Hey, that's an awesome addition/improvement on this theme. Ima gonna steal it and use later :-)




posted by: mimi (reply)
post date: 04.02.08 (6:33 pm)

Reply to: kurtmaddox
you have my blessing...i know you will make good use of it : )
glad to have you back here blogging with us again...we need all the inspiration we can get : )
xoxo



posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 04.02.08 (6:56 pm)

I give this post three gills up.



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.02.08 (7:04 pm)

Reply to: surrogate

I just read it for the first time since typing it and posting it -- boy do I need an editor! lol!

Still, "3 Gills", huh? I'll take that anyday. Thanks!




posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.02.08 (7:04 pm)

Reply to: mimi

Heck, that's a good deal -- I get to steal your ideas AND get your blessing? I must be livin right ;-)




posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (5:32 am)

as Viktor Frankl says (paraphrasing) "it's not what happens to you in your life, but your RESPONSE to what happens to you which defines the person..."

LOL



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (8:51 am)

Reply to: fractalmom

True enough. Still, the framework from which a person RESPONDS often largely limits that person's available responses. There is literally no end the examples where a persons irrational beliefs might box them into a false set of choices when RESPONDING to a particular thing that might have "happened" to the them.

Certainly, there's nothing in my Parable of the Great Fisherpeople that is incompatible with Frankl's quote. So, I'm curious why the added "LOL" to your comment. I'm trying to figure out how that point is funny? lol :-)

Please clue in the clueless! (What's the abbreviation for a light-hearted grin?) :-)




posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (11:18 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

hmmm. the LOL i think was mostly due to the joining of comparisons and fishing.

but i do think that frankl makes a valid point, and that it doesn't matter WHAT frame of reference your life has given you, it still comes down to your responses to the things that happen. even within the framework limited by say, extreme conservative judeochristian fundamentalism, you are still ABLE to respond in a humane manner. you may not CHOOSE to do so, but that just proves frankl right.



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (11:50 am)

Reply to: fractalmom

Sure, but, isn't there a difference between my personal responsibility to make the best of any given situation using the best response I can muster and our equally individual responsibility to attempt to get at what the truth is about a given subject so that we all have a great opportunity to respond in ways that correspond as well as possible to a given situation?

For example, is it a rational philosophy to tell someone who has been give very harmful medical treatment that the person should just be concerned about their "response" and not about discovering what the proper medical treatment should have been so that they can find the best possible solution to their ailment?

There is no doubt that personal responsibility is a core value. However, to answer everything societal issue with the bromide "if it's to be, it's up to me" doesn't seem very rational to me.

Also, isn't changing ones paradigm of seeing the world to a view that best matches the available evidence a part of "personal responsibility"?

Frankl made important contributions and I don't know of many folks who would disagree with the simple bit of wisdom contained in his "choosing your response" insights. Many others have made the same suggestions. Dr. Stephen Covey developed Frankl's insight and other similar insights into a whole philosophy of effectiveness called "The 7 Habits". The American ideal that I cherish is built upon the concept of allowing citizens the greatest possible freedom in how they make their personal choices.

However, none of this has a thing to do with whether or not something is demonstrably "true" or demonstrably "false". My central point is that in order to catch fish, you need be willing to get out of bed and go down to the river and do the work AND it is very helpful if you know where the fish are and what helps you catch them. I've read Frankl extensively and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't take issue with that extension of his "choosing your response" mantra.

So, I think it very much DOES matter "what frame of reference your life has given you" and I think it can often be a critica determinant of how one's life goes.

Excellent addition and comment! I really appreciate you making it :-)




posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (6:54 pm)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

dude. i'm gonna leave this one till tomorrow morning ROFL. it's 9:50 pm, I just got all three Pint's to bed finally, and REALLY need to drink this nice Shiraz, and go veg out in front of the tv for an hour or so.....

but, i cannot wait till tomorrow morning!!



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (8:44 pm)

Reply to: fractalmom

Shiraz goes great with Bass :-)




posted by: bipolarexpress (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (8:47 pm)

is this you or is this paster dave??



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (8:50 pm)

Reply to: bipolarexpress

No, this is certainly me! lol! Can't an open-minded humanist also be spiritual?

Pastor Dave and I actually have much more in common that it would appear on the surface. I think he knows that and it is what helps him not want to kill me as much as might want to otherwise! Ha! Ha!




posted by: bipolarexpress (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (9:20 pm)

Reply to: kurtmaddox
I meant cause of your comments in tblurt where the 2 of you were going to change blogs..lol it was a joke ;-}




posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.03.08 (10:11 pm)

Reply to: bipolarexpress

Got it... I'm a bit dense sometimes :-)




posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 04.04.08 (6:32 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox


Okay. Deep breath. Drink of Coffee. Kids on bus. 3/4 Pint safely ensconced in Pap's recliner watching the new Alvin and the Chipmunks movie with her Dad (Cop) who is visiting.

Now.

Of course, there is a BIG difference between personal responsibility and individual responsibility while within a societal structure. Since we do not live in a perfect society, however, no matter how much we both wish we did....we are given great opportunities on a daily, sometimes hourly basis to allow ourselves to make personal and responsible choices, most of which we fail at miserably.

To answer the ills of society with Frankl's theory of happiness would be at best, ludicrous, and at worst, LOL, irresponsible.

And yes, the great dichotomy here is that we, in general, and as a society, do NOT allow our sense, (or lack thereof) of personal responsibility and choosing strategies to cross over into our more public endeavors.

There are a few 'philanthropists' in fact, who DO that. And, I am very jealous of their ability to do that. I highly respect their ability to do that, as well as use their more than considerable resources to make our world a better place.

My basic premise is that if all people, (i know, how idealistic can a person be??) take the time, the thought and the effort to understand that each and every choice you make in your day to day life can have effects on other people, then perhaps there would be less deleterious effects? A bit far fetched, I know. That's what happens when you start out a bare-footed hippie from the Haight and end up a conservative in Ohio some 40 years later LOL.

The philosophy behind fishing, or star gazing, or simply sitting on a big rock in a beautiful setting, with a poem in your head, or a piece of bait on your line, appreciating the beauty of the things around you....is the one we should keep with us daily. Unfortunately, life intrudes in chaotic and loud and vicious ways.

And THAT is when our basic and core philosophy of response to any given situation kicks in.

While Covey did develop the system for 7 habits, when I read it, I thought it was geared mostly toward the road to personal success, with a definite cant towards business success. Something I have never been able to get LOL. I am totally a right brainer, and cannot (now HERE is a shock ;) interact well with other humans for the most part. So, I do make the mistake of reading over quickly those parts of things which speak to improving my business skills, since I neither have, nor want any of those. Tacky of me, I know.

The frame of reference that each of us carries does become pertinent, and the way we look at the process of achieving our goals is paramount to the success of achieving our goals.

But, regardless of the frame of reference, our RESPONSES to each and every situation we encounter, still, ultimately, defines who and what we become. Regardless of our 'frame of reference'. Some may go on to achieve greatness, others will be held back by their particular 'frame', but that is a self limiting thing I believe.

Of course, you should always be proactive in any endeavor, whether it be lusting after a fat bass, or ending world hunger. What you put into any effort is going to match, pretty well, and for the MOST part, what you get out of said effort.

The only problem with Frankl, Covey and any of the others of the same ilk, is that the entire world won't subscribe to it LOL. If we ALL did, we would achieve utopia.

Till then, you will enjoy the philosophy of fishing, I will enjoy the philosophy of talking to a five year old, and we shall remain on our own quests for self improvement, while we attempt to make the world a better place through understanding and compassion, and watching our responses to any given situation.



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.04.08 (4:58 pm)

Reply to: fractalmom

That is a really great response and some excellent points. I like how you are able to relate personal experiences to philosophical or idealogicial points and still not discount the theory just because your experience might be a bit differnt. Theories are like hats - you pick those that seem to fit best and you wear them around awhile to see what happens. If good things happen, you usually want to wear those hats as often as possible.

Good points on Covey and other gurus -- I think they'd agree with you on the "utopian" versus the daily reality issue. Still, we take what we can from those from whom we can learn something, we integrate the learning and we go on to making our unique contribution while continually making adjustments as we go.

Just a really thoughtful comment and I appreciate your willingness to contribute to the conversation!




posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 04.05.08 (6:08 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

why thank you sir!! A few other things occurred to me. Do you remember the last book of the super series "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"..called "mostly harmless"? Hopefully you do or this comment will be totally meaningless.

Arthur Dent, having been stranded on a world (after traveling and saving the universe a number of times in the previous four books) where they worshiped the 'almighty bob', had finally and completely found inner, as well as outer peace. He had become the 'great sandwich maker' and was respected, revered and sought after by his fellow inhabitants.

He took great joy in working with the blacksmith to develop the 'perfect meat slicing knife, as well as the perfect bread slicing knife'. He enjoyed the construction of the sandwich, the presentation of the sandwich, and the end result of the sandwich which became to him, the culmination of seeing HIS particular (and sought after) creation actually feeding, and keeping happy, the populous.

See, that is what happens when you cut your baby teeth on Kant, Frankl, Aristotle, Asimov, Sartre, Kierkeguaard, Hegel and Nietzsche, then you end up finding Douglas Adams ROFLMAO.

You sort of incorporate, as we spoke of previously, all that you have read up to that point, and then you add in a 'new' view.....

And you end up like me !!

The character Arthur Dent LOVED being on the world where Bob was worshipped. Arthur Dent was blissfully happy being the honored and respected sandwich maker.

Arthur Dent was content. He didn't care if the rest of the world went to hell or not, as long as he was able to make and perfect his sandwiches.

Arthur is that person inside each and every one of us that sits idly by and watches horrors happen. Arthur Dent is our comfort zone.

Yet, when Ford Prefect comes and grabs him existentially by the balls and says "the world as we know it is about to end!!" Arthur, still in his bathrobe, once again pulls himself out of his comfort zone, and goes off, yet again, to save the universe.

Poor Arthur!!

He already knows that the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is 42. He has found out that the REAL problem was that no one knew the QUESTION.

He found out the QUESTION, which was "What do you get when you multiply 6 x 9?" which of course, is 42.

And, fundamentally is why our universe does NOT make sense. It was supposed to be 42, but we are just that much off kilter, and so, we THINK that 6 x 9 = 54, thereby throwing everything just slightly off and making it all NOT make any sense whatsoever.

Then, you find that you can achieve an almost total and complete lack of understanding of the universe. And, further, you find that it is okay.

You reach the moment when you accept that there are simply things which will never make sense, are not supposed to make sense, and if they did make sense, you would spontaneously disappear in a cloud of understanding and cease to be.

And you, like Arthur Dent, are content to be the absolute BEST that you can be at what you CAN do. And, also like Arthur Dent, when someone comes along and grabs you up, you rise to the occasion, contributing whatever expertise you have gained along the way, and you run off in your bathrobe to do whatever YOU can to help.

That's pretty much where I am now.

RIP Doug.



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.05.08 (9:50 am)

Reply to: fractalmom

I happend to know for a fact that 6 x 9 is NOT 42 or 54, but, is indeed, 17. I knew this by age 18 and that knowledge is responsible for a lifetime of having live with the horrible reality that I'm really the only person on this planet that knows what I'm talking about on any subject since I'm the only human being who can possibly be starting with a true "a priori" fact.

A is NOT A... A is 17. Even "NON 17 is 17"! That absolutely BLEW my mind! (As you can imagine.)

Like Arthur Dent, I'm willing to save the universe if it really gets in a pinch. I am, however, content for now to just write this blog, raise my kids, do my job, marry the love of my life and mess with those who are so certain they know all the answers when clearly they don't. (17 and all that.)

Ever so often, someone leaves a comment that causes me suspect they are cut from the same chunk of primordial ooze as me.

So, than 17 there are at least a few of your kind out there helping me not feel so much existential angst about how things are looking for humankind on the surface of things. There are times when 17 seems more a curse than a blessing!




posted by: fractalmom (reply)
post date: 04.05.08 (5:29 pm)

Reply to: kurtmaddox


ahhhh, she replied, nodding sagely...

thinking to herself ("i KNEW he was one of those 17'ers......")



posted by: Sis (reply)
post date: 04.08.08 (7:34 am)

Oh Dear Brother, don't you know the answer to everything in life is "42"?



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.08.08 (4:11 pm)

Reply to: Sis

Nope, it is definitely "17" -- I've been given special gnosis of this from very good authority!



posted by: Sis (reply)
post date: 04.09.08 (6:40 am)

Well no one consulted me on this change? Story of my life ;)



posted by: sebastianjoshua (reply)
post date: 04.16.08 (6:29 pm)

oh wow... fishing

did i miss the boat... lol

smile always :-)



posted by: kurtmaddox (reply)
post date: 04.17.08 (9:03 am)

Reply to: sebastianjoshua

boy did you ;-)


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